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Jo-Ann

You and Cec have really stumbled upon a great blogging topic that is largely ignored.

In my opinion you both hit it out of the park with this. This needs talking about.

porter

Marriage and parenthood are not what I expected. Both are far more difficult and of course more amazing than I anticipated.

I enjoyed reading your 'flipside', it's so much more interesting to read both sides, plus I liked hearing your 'voice' not just what Cecily said you felt...if that makes sense.

I hope the two of you will write some more posts that fit together!

Melissa in TN

I like how you added to her post and I think your plan is an excellent one. You two are "right in time" as Lucinda Williams says. (Do you know her work or her dad's? His name is Miller Williams).

Chickenpig

These posts of yours and Cecily's make me feel so terribly bad for my husband. Since the last month of my pregnancy and the first two weeks of our new daughter's life my husband has done EVERYthing he is the nanny for our twins, the cook, the housemaid, the maintenance man, grounds keeper, pool boy, launderer, and keeper of the hounds. He doesn't have any foot ball buddies, either, but he does have a group of friends who he used to hang out with, play games online with, and go out to the occasional poker/board game night with...which of course he hasn't done in a looooong time. I don't really have any girl friends to hang out with, but I miss going out on dates with my hubbie terribly. Reading your posts I realize that we have to manage our time better, pay ppl to do some of the things we don't have time to do once in a while, and get a sitter (yeah, right, for twin two year olds and a newborn? that'll happen). Most of all, I really, really need to let my husband know how much he is appreciated and TRY to give him some time to do whatever it is he does (I'm not sure he knows anymore). Thank you for putting your husband perspective out there, I hope that you and Cecily do more joint posts in the future.

Leslie in Springfield

When our first child was about Tori's age my husband was also intimidated with the thought of taking her out by himself. What worked for us was signing up Dad & daughter for a county rec center play class on Saturday morning. It was cheaper than a Gymboree class but just as much fun; it gave them a set place & time to go do something that burned off some of her energy; it was nearby and only a 45-minute class, so the entire outing was just over an hour. As they had fun and he felt more comfortable, they began stopping for lunch on the way home. It was the *only* time I got to myself in those years, as he travelled most weeks for business and we had no family nearby. 5 days a week, it was just me, our daughter, and the dog. It took a lot of discussion for him to grasp my need for some time on my own-- it's awesome that you guys already have an understanding of that need and a plan to work toward it.

Meegan

Thanks for your take on things as well. I think I need to print out yours and Cecily's posts and stick them onto the fridge. In plain sight. To remind Marc and I that we are just normal.

I'm sure that for everybody who is in a long-term relationship arguments happen, exhaustion happens, work and life all happen, but we need to at least attempt to make an effort for ourselves and each other - this includes the kids. Whether it be eating better, exercising, actually getting that scheduled time out for yourself, or that date night that has be planned for months. Just taking the time to make the effort has helped us out a lot, even if what was planned doesn't happen.

Meegan

Thanks for your take on things as well. I think I need to print out yours and Cecily's posts and stick them onto the fridge. In plain sight. To remind Marc and I that we are just normal.

I'm sure that for everybody who is in a long-term relationship arguments happen, exhaustion happens, work and life all happen, but we need to at least attempt to make an effort for ourselves and each other - this includes the kids. Whether it be eating better, exercising, actually getting that scheduled time out for yourself, or that date night that has be planned for months. Just taking the time to make the effort has helped us out a lot, even if what was planned doesn't happen.

Paula

Hello Charlie,

I had no doubt that you and your wife would find it out by yourselves how to make changes.The difference between the way of women to deal with those parental challenges is that they describe the problems and feelings directly to collect as much advice and ideas as possible, already having an own concept on mind, always, but being open for new aspects they hadn't thought about before.

And the men, well, they figure it out by themselves (except with some advice from personal friends), as you pointed it out in your post, with humour, some more rational distance, quite cool (in a positive way, my language has two possible meanings of beeing "cool")!

I think the two of you fit quite well together and do a good job!

Have a sunny Sunday.
Paula

Coral

We do get stuck on a road that is long term a relationship disaster. For example: Ian cooks, I am allowed to feel incompetant in the kitchen as a result. I love faffing around and making a meal - I have tried to take over 2x a week. But Ian likes being in control. So he is quite capable of telling me where I am going wrong. I don't need that, I need him out of the kitchen if that is his attitude. Sigh, we all do try dont' we?

The best thing is though, we do still adore each other. That is the best bit, hey?

Alison

Oh, I love reading your side, too! It goes quite well with Cecily's, I might add. This is food for thought because I struggle with many of the same things in my marriage. How to divvy the personal time and how to divvy the together time. If possible. It takes a lot of thought, I think, and a lot of planning. Thank you so much, both of you, for sharing this.

amyinbc

Great post. Thank you.
Have been married 16 years and also find once in awhile old patterns and methods need to be shaken up. Things re-evaluated from time to time, different priorities made. Keeps things healthy.

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