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Bob T

All I can say is "WOW"!!!...heavy stuff !

Sarah

Now *that* was depressing, even for you. Seriously, things are not that bad.

"Don't try" is not something you want to teach your daughter, is it? And Bukowski had success (eventually) as a drunken poet, so that saying kinda doesn't mean shit except maybe, "Ha, ha...I didn't try and I succeeded anyway, so fuck you."

I'm getting worried about you, man.

Charlie

Just where I'm at.

I think Buk meant that he didn't go thru all the hopscotch and hulahoops of courting a career. He was quite prepared to die unknown and alone. There's a certain freedom in that. Fame, in the end, found him, tho he did his best to alienate those who tried to help him. Ultimately, he was very very lucky that his publisher John Martin stuck with him.

My dad was the opposite of Buk is almost every way. He played by the rules and expended a great deal of effort on just about everything. He couldn't even buy a toaster without a week's worth of research on the best models (pre-internet time). But ultimately, he was thwarted at every turn. And it broke him.

Celeste

I think there's something to it. Zen Buddhists talk about how the cause of suffering is attachment--to ideas, outcomes, etc. I think Don't Try relates to crazy-making attachments. I have nothing good to say about office life; I draw a lot of Shawshank parallels to it.

We are all thwarted at something in this life. I don't see anything wrong with acknowledging it.

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